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	<link>http://www.hci-matters.com/blog/2007/07/07/search-isnt-the-future-or-why-the-gui-is-so-approachable/</link>
	<description>Clay Barnes talks about HCI, the user experience, and whatever he's in the mood for.</description>
	<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 02:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Rob St. Amant</title>
		<link>http://www.hci-matters.com/blog/2007/07/07/search-isnt-the-future-or-why-the-gui-is-so-approachable/#comment-167</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob St. Amant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing I do like about Clay's post is that the dichotomy he identifies is not at the level of "Am I using a command line or a GUI for interaction?"  Another example of what he's getting at is marking menus.  Superficially, pie menus are just menu items arranged in a circle, but two other things make them interesting: muscular memory acquired over time can turn an exploratory action sequence into a learned gesture, and for experienced users the menus themselves may not even need to be displayed.  Some of the same ideas are nicely worked out in Shumin Zhai's SHARK work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing I do like about Clay&#8217;s post is that the dichotomy he identifies is not at the level of &#8220;Am I using a command line or a GUI for interaction?&#8221;  Another example of what he&#8217;s getting at is marking menus.  Superficially, pie menus are just menu items arranged in a circle, but two other things make them interesting: muscular memory acquired over time can turn an exploratory action sequence into a learned gesture, and for experienced users the menus themselves may not even need to be displayed.  Some of the same ideas are nicely worked out in Shumin Zhai&#8217;s SHARK work.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Amstutz</title>
		<link>http://www.hci-matters.com/blog/2007/07/07/search-isnt-the-future-or-why-the-gui-is-so-approachable/#comment-152</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Amstutz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just thought of one other point I wanted to make.  Memorization interfaces are typically more language or word based.  Keystrokes are "verbs".  Visual search based interfaces are, for obvious reasons, usually graphical, and often spurn the richness of language in favor of inscrutable icons.

One of the best examples of combining language with a visual interfaces is the ability in OS X to search the control panel for keywords, and it will suggest which panels you are interested in.  Don't know where to configure DHCP?  Type "DHCP" into the search and it will present you with the correct tab of the correct control panel.

Going back to the Emacs example, since it is entirely based on text and language, searching is trivial.

It's fair to argue a language-based interface probably will not work as well for something like Photoshop, although even in that case there are a lot of hidden layers (both literally and figuratively) and abstraction in how you work with the application that are not necessarily best served by purely graphical push-button UI.

So I think there is a visual vs. language dynamic going on here -- similar to recognition vs. recall dynamic mentioned by a previous poster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just thought of one other point I wanted to make.  Memorization interfaces are typically more language or word based.  Keystrokes are &#8220;verbs&#8221;.  Visual search based interfaces are, for obvious reasons, usually graphical, and often spurn the richness of language in favor of inscrutable icons.</p>
<p>One of the best examples of combining language with a visual interfaces is the ability in OS X to search the control panel for keywords, and it will suggest which panels you are interested in.  Don&#8217;t know where to configure DHCP?  Type &#8220;DHCP&#8221; into the search and it will present you with the correct tab of the correct control panel.</p>
<p>Going back to the Emacs example, since it is entirely based on text and language, searching is trivial.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s fair to argue a language-based interface probably will not work as well for something like Photoshop, although even in that case there are a lot of hidden layers (both literally and figuratively) and abstraction in how you work with the application that are not necessarily best served by purely graphical push-button UI.</p>
<p>So I think there is a visual vs. language dynamic going on here &#8212; similar to recognition vs. recall dynamic mentioned by a previous poster.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Amstutz</title>
		<link>http://www.hci-matters.com/blog/2007/07/07/search-isnt-the-future-or-why-the-gui-is-so-approachable/#comment-151</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Amstutz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few comments --

Like anything else, both "search" and "memorization" based interfaces can be done well or done poorly.  However, I think it is a false dichotomy, because most good user interfaces allow the user to start with search and work their way towards memorization.

One thing that is important to consider is the "distance" between commands or modes.  A memorization based interface encourages a "flat" command space, where you can access all possible commands or values with just a few keystrokes.  Hierarchical search based interfaces traditionally tend to bury those same commands under several levels of menus, icons and dialog boxes which require multiple mouse clicks to access.

Where the flat command space really wins, though, is that it is actually easier to search.  By typing in part of the command name and/or annotating commands with a full text description with additional keywords, the user can often find the commands they need in a simpler and more straightforward way than hunting through menus.

A downside to the flat command space is that it often harder to discover new commands.  Where in a hierarchical-search based interface the user will often stumble upon other functionality in their search for some particular command, the ability to access commands more efficiently actually reduces this aspect of discovery.

The best example of a searchable memorization-based interface is Emacs.  I know of no other program where one can have 400+ different files, buffers and views open, and yet be able to switch between them with only three or four keystrokes.  At the same time, I can go into the help text and use the standard text search features to quickly find the commands I am looking for.  The GUI version of Emacs also has the usual windows, buttons and dialog boxes, to help new users get up to speed.  It is a "scalable" user interface.  We study how to make computers scale up to process large amounts of information, why not study how to design interfaces that scale up to allow you to work with huge amounts of information?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few comments &#8211;</p>
<p>Like anything else, both &#8220;search&#8221; and &#8220;memorization&#8221; based interfaces can be done well or done poorly.  However, I think it is a false dichotomy, because most good user interfaces allow the user to start with search and work their way towards memorization.</p>
<p>One thing that is important to consider is the &#8220;distance&#8221; between commands or modes.  A memorization based interface encourages a &#8220;flat&#8221; command space, where you can access all possible commands or values with just a few keystrokes.  Hierarchical search based interfaces traditionally tend to bury those same commands under several levels of menus, icons and dialog boxes which require multiple mouse clicks to access.</p>
<p>Where the flat command space really wins, though, is that it is actually easier to search.  By typing in part of the command name and/or annotating commands with a full text description with additional keywords, the user can often find the commands they need in a simpler and more straightforward way than hunting through menus.</p>
<p>A downside to the flat command space is that it often harder to discover new commands.  Where in a hierarchical-search based interface the user will often stumble upon other functionality in their search for some particular command, the ability to access commands more efficiently actually reduces this aspect of discovery.</p>
<p>The best example of a searchable memorization-based interface is Emacs.  I know of no other program where one can have 400+ different files, buffers and views open, and yet be able to switch between them with only three or four keystrokes.  At the same time, I can go into the help text and use the standard text search features to quickly find the commands I am looking for.  The GUI version of Emacs also has the usual windows, buttons and dialog boxes, to help new users get up to speed.  It is a &#8220;scalable&#8221; user interface.  We study how to make computers scale up to process large amounts of information, why not study how to design interfaces that scale up to allow you to work with huge amounts of information?</p>
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		<title>By: Rob St. Amant</title>
		<link>http://www.hci-matters.com/blog/2007/07/07/search-isnt-the-future-or-why-the-gui-is-so-approachable/#comment-122</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob St. Amant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 03:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Memorized actions and search.&lt;/i&gt;

This distinction strikes me as being very similar to the familiar "recall versus recognition" issue in HCI.  Is there something more to it that I'm missing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Memorized actions and search.</i></p>
<p>This distinction strikes me as being very similar to the familiar &#8220;recall versus recognition&#8221; issue in HCI.  Is there something more to it that I&#8217;m missing?</p>
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		<title>By: minimal design</title>
		<link>http://www.hci-matters.com/blog/2007/07/07/search-isnt-the-future-or-why-the-gui-is-so-approachable/#comment-106</link>
		<dc:creator>minimal design</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 22:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was writing a comment on your blog but it turned into something way too long to post here ;) So I posted it on my blog at:

http://minimaldesign.net/blog/web-design/behaviors-and-ui-design

You might be interested, and I'm definitely curious to see what you think about it. Small warning: I respectfully doubt the usefulness of your article on there... But I'm very open to discussion and definitely not looking for a fight!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was writing a comment on your blog but it turned into something way too long to post here ;) So I posted it on my blog at:</p>
<p><a href="http://minimaldesign.net/blog/web-design/behaviors-and-ui-design" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/minimaldesign.net');">http://minimaldesign.net/blog/web-design/behaviors-and-ui-design</a></p>
<p>You might be interested, and I&#8217;m definitely curious to see what you think about it. Small warning: I respectfully doubt the usefulness of your article on there&#8230; But I&#8217;m very open to discussion and definitely not looking for a fight!</p>
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		<title>By: James G Sack</title>
		<link>http://www.hci-matters.com/blog/2007/07/07/search-isnt-the-future-or-why-the-gui-is-so-approachable/#comment-93</link>
		<dc:creator>James G Sack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I come here after reading your nice _mouseless_ article.

Regarding _only two_, I wonder if that includes in some subtle way or perhaps overlooks the concept of spatial mapping and motion, which brings back into consideration the valid uses of the mouse (pointing device).

As a simple example, while there may be keyboard bindings to perform scrolling (and drawing), the mouse offers some advantages in it's role as the architypical pointing device.

However, there certainly remain some mouse behavior things still looking for solutions. Here's one I thought you might be interested in:

Scrollbars on long documents are often almost totally useless (as a positioning tool) because the viewport moves way too much for the smallest mouse drag motion. At least for me, the scrolling operation is so disorienting that I specificaly avoid using it.

When the document is less than 'a few' times the length of the viewport, the scrollbar paradigm works just marvelously, I would say.

I'm thinking that when the document length is above some limit (relative to viewport length), there should be an alternate (visually distinguished) mouse _thumb_ surrounding the usual one. The usual one shrinks as the document grows, but the alternate one might be thought of as position within the surrounding 'few viewports-worth' of document, and has a minimum size. The alternate thumb would be designed to scroll more slowly, as if the document were shorter. It is left as an excercise for the reader to resolve the details of moving the alternate thumb, resyncing alternate with traditional thumb, continuing to scroll at boundaries, etc.

I suppose it is also useful and necessary to look at gesture mechanisms and mousewheel behavior. I believe Microsoft Vista has some changes in this area worth examining, as well.

Keep up the good work!

Regards,
..jim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I come here after reading your nice _mouseless_ article.</p>
<p>Regarding _only two_, I wonder if that includes in some subtle way or perhaps overlooks the concept of spatial mapping and motion, which brings back into consideration the valid uses of the mouse (pointing device).</p>
<p>As a simple example, while there may be keyboard bindings to perform scrolling (and drawing), the mouse offers some advantages in it&#8217;s role as the architypical pointing device.</p>
<p>However, there certainly remain some mouse behavior things still looking for solutions. Here&#8217;s one I thought you might be interested in:</p>
<p>Scrollbars on long documents are often almost totally useless (as a positioning tool) because the viewport moves way too much for the smallest mouse drag motion. At least for me, the scrolling operation is so disorienting that I specificaly avoid using it.</p>
<p>When the document is less than &#8216;a few&#8217; times the length of the viewport, the scrollbar paradigm works just marvelously, I would say.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking that when the document length is above some limit (relative to viewport length), there should be an alternate (visually distinguished) mouse _thumb_ surrounding the usual one. The usual one shrinks as the document grows, but the alternate one might be thought of as position within the surrounding &#8216;few viewports-worth&#8217; of document, and has a minimum size. The alternate thumb would be designed to scroll more slowly, as if the document were shorter. It is left as an excercise for the reader to resolve the details of moving the alternate thumb, resyncing alternate with traditional thumb, continuing to scroll at boundaries, etc.</p>
<p>I suppose it is also useful and necessary to look at gesture mechanisms and mousewheel behavior. I believe Microsoft Vista has some changes in this area worth examining, as well.</p>
<p>Keep up the good work!</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
..jim</p>
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		<title>By: clay</title>
		<link>http://www.hci-matters.com/blog/2007/07/07/search-isnt-the-future-or-why-the-gui-is-so-approachable/#comment-24</link>
		<dc:creator>clay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 01:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I probably did overstate the dependence of CLI/Console/Text interfaces, the point about the GUI was that (especially with Apple's early offerings) the GUI was essentially completely search-based, and that was the major reason for the sudden increase in apparent accessibility.

As for your suggestion that I distinguish between windowed and command-line interfaces, the point of the entry was not that there were no other ways to differentiate designs, but rather that memorization versus search is on that is generally overlooked, and that it could be argued to be one of the most fundamental decisions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I probably did overstate the dependence of CLI/Console/Text interfaces, the point about the GUI was that (especially with Apple&#8217;s early offerings) the GUI was essentially completely search-based, and that was the major reason for the sudden increase in apparent accessibility.</p>
<p>As for your suggestion that I distinguish between windowed and command-line interfaces, the point of the entry was not that there were no other ways to differentiate designs, but rather that memorization versus search is on that is generally overlooked, and that it could be argued to be one of the most fundamental decisions.</p>
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		<title>By: Gc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 01:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you oversimplify CLI.  Command line interfaces have long had ways to search for help, so they are not strictly memorized.  The simplest is the help command, or the ? command.  Some interfaces have command completion, some have documentation search (often called "apropos").

Along this line of thinking, one important difference is that when you search for help in a GUI, it is all in menu popups or help page popups that disappear (or at least can be hidden), so you can get back to what you were doing after you have finished searching for the action.  In CLI interfaces, the help output is interspersed with the real work.

For this distinction, it might be better to distinguish windowed interfaces vs. command line interfaces.  There are windowed interfaces to character terminals, where different rectangular areas of the screen are dedicated to different purposes.  Many operating systems have character based text editors, such as emacs or vi, which divide the character terminal screen into different windows without being graphical.

Another important difference might be that a GUI divides commands into a hierarchy of categories (the tree of menus), whereas CLI help is often not so hierarchical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you oversimplify CLI.  Command line interfaces have long had ways to search for help, so they are not strictly memorized.  The simplest is the help command, or the ? command.  Some interfaces have command completion, some have documentation search (often called &#8220;apropos&#8221;).</p>
<p>Along this line of thinking, one important difference is that when you search for help in a GUI, it is all in menu popups or help page popups that disappear (or at least can be hidden), so you can get back to what you were doing after you have finished searching for the action.  In CLI interfaces, the help output is interspersed with the real work.</p>
<p>For this distinction, it might be better to distinguish windowed interfaces vs. command line interfaces.  There are windowed interfaces to character terminals, where different rectangular areas of the screen are dedicated to different purposes.  Many operating systems have character based text editors, such as emacs or vi, which divide the character terminal screen into different windows without being graphical.</p>
<p>Another important difference might be that a GUI divides commands into a hierarchy of categories (the tree of menus), whereas CLI help is often not so hierarchical.</p>
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